Just as Obama supporters see race baiting everywhere, they also see criticism as "attacks on the nominee".
You'd be wise to heed the criticism because they reflect concern about not only his ability to win in the fall, and so need to be addressed, but also his capabilities as president.
Again, it's like how Republicans think criticism of the US is hatred of the US and won't tolerate any dissent or criticism.
Please read the diary again. I welcome any critiques of our nominee. I have nothing against McCain supporters. The subject of race and gender only comes up to divide us. I would bet that gender or sexism comes up here on mydd 20-1 over race so I think your off on race I just don't hear much about that on this site. Thanks for the comment.
There it is again.
Obama supporters all say they have nothing against "critiques" of the nominee, but then they put diaries up telling people who criticize Obama to go to Red State and call them trolls, etc.
There is a disconnect from reality there.
And to get into a tit-for-tat over who raises sexism or racism/race baiting more is childish, and irrelevant.
The FACT is, accusations of race baiting (bogus as they were) WORKED in FAVOR of Obama, and he would not have won but for that gross tactic. Accusations of sexism and misogyny are scoffed at and dismissed, often using sexism (women are oversensitive), and did NOT in any way help Clinton, except perhaps with women, who experience it all the time and who recognized the depth of it in this campaign.
Accusations of sexism were not a campaign tactic. Accusations of race baiting were.
Juno I enjoy hearing your comments please don't go to redstate. I can only speak for myself when I say supporters on both sides acted badly. I wish you would get this upset over McCain. I love your passion by the way what do you think of McCain?
Discussing McCain, for me, is a waste of time.
It is so obvious to me that this country cannot withstand four more months, let alone four years, of more Republican and conservative policies.
I am more concerned about why, despite the disasters Bush and Cheney and Republicans have visited upon this country, the gap between McCain and Obama isn't vastly bigger. I am concerned that Democrats have gone their usual flaky way and nominated the wrong person for the wrong reasons and history will repeat itself.
Personally, I am upset that I can't be excited about this election because I've been downright distraught over the Bush Administration, but I have a hard time listening to Obama (I often turn the TV off or change the channel when he speaks. I think he's full of b'loney).
Obama is learning on the job. I dont want a president who is learning on the job.
and you don't listent to either one of them, as you say yourself, so your opinion won't evolve.
But you always have the same old thing to say, bless your heart. You have an assertion for every situation, and it's always the same <sic>:
"I don't listen to him and I can't stand him and he isn't going to win and his supporters are incapable of (insert anything positive)."
Obama could cure cancer and you'd just change the channel.
And it's precisely snideness from his supporters such as yourself, who use the term "you" too much (in other words, attack people personally) who only harden my stance, that Obama cannot bring about change, as he, and you, claim.
No one has said what his new ideas are, btw.
I am saying You because I am talking to You, not brushing with broad strokes at all. You're comments strike me as intellectually lacking and unecessarily contenscious. What passes for conversations that I have had with you in the past have been answered with sneers, so I am understandably reticent to take your questions seriously. If there was in my view even a slight chance that anything I had to say would not be countered with a 'yeah, so what' there would be a greater likelihood that I would engage with you in honest discussion.
There are plenty of screwups that I am willing to own, and often enough do. But, frankly, this one is yours to own. Try entering a conversation with less of a beam on your shoulder and you may have better luck getting folks to talk with you.
-chris
Still no examples of Obama's new ideas.
Still only inane and meaningless attacks on an anonymous stranger (how unObaman!).
Seems I'm the one looking for substance.
How ironic.
Since you can't stand to listen to him perhaps you should go to his web site and read his stance on issues and what ideas he has presented. I despair of ever reaching people that have closed themselves off so much from a candidate that they aren't even willing to listen to him/her.
I have no intention of going to red state. I was addressing the suggestion of another Obama supporter, yet another who claims to respect disagreements, blah, blah, blah, but in reality does not.
As for bad behavior on both sides, it's supposed to be Obamans who are inspired to change all that.
But they can't. and that is my point.
