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Re: Hold Your Head High Hillary (1.62 / 8)

Your insults make me want to do the same.


by Tolstoy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:08:40 AM EST
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Why do they keep pushing for it to be over? (1.80 / 5)

We have been hearing it was over for months.  The Obama people keep acting like having the campaign is hurting the party and not good for theobvious nominee.  We do not have a nominee, not even a presumptive one.  You can't use supers to clinch it.  She is supposed to stay til Denver.  

What are they so afraid of that they just cannot stand to let the process complete?


by itsadryheat on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:55:57 AM EST
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Re: Why do they keep pushing for it to be over? (2.00 / 11)

Get over the denial. It's unbelievable. Every respected member of the media, and every idiot in the media, and many of Clinton's own supporters, superdelegates, and people on the street all acknowledged tonight that Obama is the nominee. 90% of the world knows it's over. I have ZERO problem wanting to celebrate Clinton's efforts, agenda, candidacy, inspirational words and deeds, but let's deal with reality. Obama just took multiple supers from her tonight and is now watching the entire party coalesce around his nomination. Let's be productive and use our energy to work for Obama's presidency, get that healthcare with Hillary's input and power, get that push for labor and education with her cooperation, and support the party that had the will to break the mold in 2008 by running candidates as diverse and dynamic as Clinton and Obama.
by mikeplugh on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:03:19 AM EST
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Re: Why do they keep pushing for it to be over? (2.00 / 4)

Because it is over and if Senator Clinton does not take the opportunity to withdraw now, she will completely destroy her and her husband's legacy and become a villified figure on the order of Joe Lieberman.

It's over.  I'm all for reconciliation, but not with those who continue a fight that is lost.


by Same As It Ever Was on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:48:25 AM EST
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Re: Why do they keep pushing for it to be over? (2.00 / 1)

And I'm sure you were trashing Kennedy's endorsement of Obama for the same reasons right?  He's divisive, he took the fight to the Convention, he destroyed his brother's and families legacy...blah, blah, blah.

That's all crap.  The SD's don't even cast votes until the convention.  Hillary hasn't indicated whether or not she will contest until the convention or take a fight to the credentials committee.  But the hyperbole that by what was in her speech will destroy her and Bill's legacy is pure fallacy and is just an attempt to continue to demagogue and pound on the Clinton's.

The nomination is NOT wrapped up, because if it was I wouldn't be heading to our State Convention and being able to cast my vote for Hillary instead of Obama.

You can have your version of 'your' truth, but the facts are facts, and you can't change them.  Should Clinton conceed then, all DEM's should even somewhat loosely coalese around the nominee.  They don't have to canvass or call or even participate in the actual process...all they have to do is vote against John McCain and the other down-ticket Rep's come November.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:33:56 AM EST
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Re: Why do they keep pushing for it to be over? (none / 0)

Why would I trash Kennedy's endorsement of Obama?  Because of a mistake he made 28 years ago?

The credentials committee meme is a canard.  Florida and Michigan could be seated as is at full strength at this point and he would still have the requisite number of delegates.  

You can keep telling yourself that the superdelegates are going to change their mind en masse, but it's not going to happen.  He is the presumptive nominee.


by Same As It Ever Was on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:27:48 PM EST
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Re: Why do they keep pushing for it to be over? (none / 0)

Oh and I never suggested that her speech was what would damage her and her husband''s legacies.  But taking the fight to the convention most certainly would.  


by Same As It Ever Was on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:30:54 PM EST
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Re: Why do they keep pushing for it to be over? (none / 0)

It's money.  Obama gets to tap his big donors twice: $2,300 for the primaries and $2,300 for the general election.  Last month, the inexhaustible well started to dry up.  They have $250 or $300 million that opens up once Hillary is shoved out.

Otherwise, Obama is very much better off letting things go on to ther convention.  The Hillary-Pbama battle freezes McCain out of the front page and takes away his earned media on TV.  Since he can't raise money, that's a crucial hit.

Look at the MYDD electoral vote calculations every day.  McCain has been sliding down, not gaining, during the Democratic fight for the nomination.

Take the money out of the equation and Obama, Hillary, and the Democrats are much better off taking this to the convention.


by David Kowalski on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:28:37 AM EST
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Re: Why do they keep pushing for it to be over? (none / 0)

What part of this aren't you getting?

THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY SEEMS TO DISAGREE WITH YOUR VIEWPOINT:

Yes, he's not "officially" the nominee until the convention, but he is the "presumptive nominee", which means that barring some colossally unforeseen events, he WILL BE the nominee in August.

The superdelegates could defect to her. But they aren't. The only superdelegates switching sides are the ones who are moving from Hillary over to the PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE'S Campaign.

Howard Wolfson himself said that she will be endorsing Obama this weekend. What part of all of this aren't you getting?

THERE WILL BE NO CONVENTION FLOOR FIGHT.

It's OK to be upset that your candidate lost a hard fought and extremely close nominating contest. But please try to stay on planet Earth while you are lamenting this...

by Obamaphile on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:42:22 PM EST
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