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Obama's FISA mistake (none / 0)

Obama did 2 mistakes in 2 days:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/02/us/politics/02fisa.html
and he is now suppoting Bush's faith-based programs:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/02/us/politics/02obama.html?_r=1&oref=login
Shame on Obama!
He behaves not as a "liberal" or "progressive" or Democrat, he is basically betraying his supporters in hope to gain some votes in November.
It is a huge mistake...
Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:35:25 AM EST
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I think his faith based initiative is brilliant. I'm not to thrilled with his FISA position though.

I don't expect to agree with the candidate I support on many issues. Neither Hillary or Obama supported single payer health care but I preferred either of them over Kucinich who did.

I expect he will do a lot of things in office I will love and others I will hate. Anyone who thinks it would be otherwise whether the president was Hillary or Barack is living in a fantasy world.

You need a cunning, calculating and ambitious politician if you want to seize power from the rethuglicans. I think both Clinton and Obama fit that description. Based on his performance up until now I would not bet against Obama's campaign strategy.

Engels you need to update your sig, Latinos and woman are in Obama's corner by huge margins. How about: Welcome to a Landslide without white males and seniors? Then you can adjust from there as November approaches.


by hankg on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:58:04 AM EST
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How so are those mistakes? (none / 0)

You should try reading the articles you link before flying off the handle.

Here is the first paragraph on faith based intitiatives:

ZANESVILLE, Ohio -- Senator Barack Obama said Tuesday that if elected president he would expand the delivery of social services through churches and other religious organizations, vowing to achieve a goal he said President Bush had fallen short on during his two terms...
Bush failing? Expanding social services? Hmmm...

As for FISA, while I wish the telecoms didn't get immunity in the deal, FISA is really a netroots pet issue, last on the minds of the millions more who will vote in November. And how does Bush's illegal wiretapping program continue under the compromise Obama supports?


I attended PUMACon '08!!!
by iohs2008 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:28:43 AM EST
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no public money (including my taxes) should go to ANY religious organizations: they all separated from state BY LAW!


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 01:50:10 PM EST
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Under Obama's rules the money would go to secular aid services run by churches not to the churches religious activities. Considering that in many poor communities church's play a big role in local social services it can be a good idea if done right.

It also is a big deal to Hispanic evangelicals who number in the millions and the 50% of white evangelicals who are not totally committed right wing Republicans.

Obama can't write off Evangelicals or gun owners anymore then he can write off white working class men. He does not need a majority he just needs to cut into the Republican margins to have a dominant national coalition.


by hankg on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:43:44 PM EST
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oh yeah he needs to win regardless of how. we heard it before. don't whine after landslide lost in November


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 08:31:57 PM EST
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Re: How so are those mistakes? (none / 0)

Still waiting for a loss? About as disconnected from reality as your sig.


by hankg on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 09:57:06 PM EST
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NEWSFLASH!!

Obama not perfect.  OMG!

As Barney Frank said, "I once voted for the perfect candidate. But by the time I ran for re-election, that wasn't true anymore."

Take what you can get and then work to make it better. Obama is, by far, the best we are likely to get, and get actually elected, in some time.


by mjshep on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 06:12:09 PM EST
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