Display:


Re: Exactly (2.00 / 1)

wanting the Constitution preserved for EVERYONE is being a 'spoiled child'?


by zerosumgame on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 09:23:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Explain (none / 0)

How the compromise bill violates the 4th Amendment? Did you even read it? In his own words:

The exclusivity provision makes it clear to any president or telecommunications company that no law supersedes the authority of the FISA court.


I attended PUMACon '08!!!
by iohs2008 on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 09:53:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Explain (2.00 / 1)

The FISA compromise bill makes the illegal-warrantless wiretapping activities that Bush has initiated...legal!  It gives the Office of the President precedent, and continues to endorse the violation of the 4th ammendment of U.S. citizens when convienient by the President when he, and only he deems it necessary.

The bill creates a new framework from which FISA will work, not the legal and perfectally functional framework that already existed that protected rights and the United States, from the FISA court and the judicial branch to the Office of the President and the executive branch.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 09:18:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Explain (none / 0)

The FISA compromise bill makes the illegal-warrantless wiretapping activities that Bush has initiated...legal!  It gives the Office of the President precedent, and continues to endorse the violation of the 4th ammendment of U.S. citizens when convienient by the President when he, and only he deems it necessary.

No. It places the past incidents under the purview of the IGs of all agencies involved. If you've ever endured a review by the IG, you'd know that it's no kangaroo court. Those people take their obligations very seriously.

The bill creates a new framework from which FISA will work, not the legal and perfectally functional framework that already existed that protected rights and the United States, from the FISA court and the judicial branch to the Office of the President and the executive branch.

There is no new framework. There's just a few exceptions for special circumstances, along with additional oversight to compensate for it. And none of this takes the power out of the Judicial system. The FISA court still has to approve the warrant requests, and they must approve the exceptions.


by noop on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 12:05:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]