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A not so brilliant disguise

by Politicalslave, Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 06:19:23 AM EST

There are those who would have us believe they are Democrats and at every opportunity trash OUR candidate. Then we have the ones who are "disillusioned" Please come out of the shadows and tell us why you support McCain. Let's debate! We are excited about our candidate Senator Obama. It has been eight long years of George W Bush and his War. By making our nominee President we will make history. How many Black Presidents or Prime Ministers in history can you name from Western countries? Our candidate has a new way with fresh ideas. If there was ever a time to be excited THIS IS IT. We have an opportunity to really make some changes to our country and this world. The Old and the New are really at play here so make a choice do you want to evolve or continue this madness? Tim Russert said to his coleagues "Can you believe it, we are actually getting paid to observe and comment on this race" He was so excited as many are but of course the usual suspects are trying to drag us down. It will never happen. The polls are starting to reflect the Republican "legacy" and it's only going to get better for all those who want America to be at it's best. It's our time and we will bring our troops home, transform healthcare, and change the political landscape in a way that will bring our country together. It's time for Brothers and Sisters of all walks of life to join forces and bring about a just change for all. Our candidate has made me dream again and I will demand everything of him. I do not expect perfection but I expect his best.

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Re: A not so brilliant disguise (2.00 / 2)

What new ideas does Obama have? What has Obama not capitulated on (or avoided altogether)?

And why is it that Obama supporters think that people who are unhappy with Obama being the Dem nominee are supporting McCain?

by Juno on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 08:50:35 AM EST

Re: A not so brilliant disguise (2.00 / 2)

Of course not everyone is a McCain supporter but if every diary you write attacks our nominee then it make us wonder. I have nothing against McCain supporters only the ones in disguise.

by Politicalslave on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 09:06:55 AM EST
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Re: A not so brilliant disguise (none / 0)

Juno did bring up some good questions, however.

Other than how he ran his campaign, which really was Dean's idea, what is fresh or new about his ideas?

by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 09:22:21 AM EST
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Re: A not so brilliant disguise (2.00 / 2)

I think Obama's greatest asset is his ability to communicate his ideas which is why he's filling up stadiums. Being against the war was a great idea because it would have saved thousands of lives and a few trillion bucks. Not bad for a rookie. It's his way of presenting his ideas that is catching people's attention. Of course he organized well but you have to have something special to get people excited and that's what we have. How many politicians in history could fill these stadiums with such enthusiatic supporters?

by Politicalslave on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 10:26:40 AM EST
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Re: A not so brilliant disguise (2.00 / 1)

How many politicians in history could fill these stadiums with such enthusiatic supporters?

Bill Clinton did back in the day.

I remember in 1992 as I went to one of those stadium rallies.

However, that said, that is not a indicator of why I would vote for someone.

He isn't the first candidate to be against the war. So, that isn't an original idea, nor should it be considered an idea - it is a principle.

by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 11:11:39 AM EST
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Re: A not so brilliant disguise (2.00 / 2)

Just as Obama supporters see race baiting everywhere, they also see criticism as "attacks on the nominee".

You'd be wise to heed the criticism because they reflect concern about not only his ability to win in the fall, and so need to be addressed, but also his capabilities as president.

Again, it's like how Republicans think criticism of the US is hatred of the US and won't tolerate any dissent or criticism.

by Juno on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 10:15:58 AM EST
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Re: A not so brilliant disguise (2.00 / 1)

Please read the diary again. I welcome any critiques of our nominee. I have nothing against McCain supporters. The subject of race and gender only comes up to divide us. I would bet that gender or sexism comes up here on mydd 20-1 over race so I think your off on race I just don't hear much about that on this site. Thanks for the comment.

by Politicalslave on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 10:34:10 AM EST
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Re: A not so brilliant disguise (2.00 / 2)

There it is again.

Obama supporters all say they have nothing against "critiques" of the nominee, but then they put diaries up telling people who criticize Obama to go to Red State and call them trolls, etc.

There is a disconnect from reality there.

And to get into a tit-for-tat over who raises sexism or racism/race baiting more is childish, and irrelevant.

The FACT is, accusations of race baiting (bogus as they were) WORKED in FAVOR of Obama, and he would not have won but for that gross tactic. Accusations of sexism and misogyny are scoffed at and dismissed, often using sexism (women are oversensitive), and did NOT in any way help Clinton, except perhaps with women, who experience it all the time and who recognized the depth of it in this campaign.

Accusations of sexism were not a campaign tactic. Accusations of race baiting were.

by Juno on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 10:44:22 AM EST
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Re: A not so brilliant disguise (2.00 / 1)

Juno I enjoy hearing your comments please don't go to redstate. I can only speak for myself when I say supporters on both sides acted badly. I wish you would get this upset over McCain. I love your passion by the way what do you think of McCain?

by Politicalslave on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 10:54:18 AM EST
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Re: A not so brilliant disguise (1.00 / 1)

Discussing McCain, for me, is a waste of time.

It is so obvious to me that this country cannot withstand four more months, let alone four years, of more Republican and conservative policies.

I am more concerned about why, despite the disasters Bush and Cheney and Republicans have visited upon this country, the gap between McCain and Obama isn't vastly bigger. I am concerned that Democrats have gone their usual flaky way and nominated the wrong person for the wrong reasons and history will repeat itself.

Personally, I am upset that I can't be excited about this election because I've been downright distraught over the Bush Administration, but I have a hard time listening to Obama (I often turn the TV off or change the channel when he speaks. I think he's full of b'loney).

Obama is learning on the job. I dont want a president who is learning on the job.

by Juno on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 11:01:57 AM EST
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Ya got a binary choice (2.00 / 2)

and you don't listent to either one of them, as you say yourself, so your opinion won't evolve.

But you always have the same old thing to say, bless your heart. You have an assertion for every situation, and it's always the same <sic>:

"I don't listen to him and I can't stand him and he isn't going to win and his supporters are incapable of (insert anything positive)."

Obama could cure cancer and you'd just change the channel.

Motley Moose, Troll Free Blogging

by chrisblask on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 12:05:14 PM EST
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Re: Ya got a binary choice (2.00 / 1)

And it's precisely snideness from his supporters such as yourself, who use the term "you" too much (in other words, attack people personally) who only harden my stance, that Obama cannot bring about change, as he, and you, claim.

No one has said what his new ideas are, btw.

by Juno on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 12:29:26 PM EST
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Re: Ya got a binary choice (2.00 / 2)

I am saying You because I am talking to You, not brushing with broad strokes at all. You're comments strike me as intellectually lacking and unecessarily contenscious. What passes for conversations that I have had with you in the past have been answered with sneers, so I am understandably reticent to take your questions seriously. If there was in my view even a slight chance that anything I had to say would not be countered with a 'yeah, so what' there would be a greater likelihood that I would engage with you in honest discussion.

There are plenty of screwups that I am willing to own, and often enough do. But, frankly, this one is yours to own. Try entering a conversation with less of a beam on your shoulder and you may have better luck getting folks to talk with you.

-chris

Motley Moose, Troll Free Blogging

by chrisblask on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 03:21:25 PM EST
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Re: Ya got a binary choice (none / 0)

Still no examples of Obama's new ideas.

Still only inane and meaningless attacks on an anonymous stranger (how unObaman!).

Seems I'm the one looking for substance.

How ironic.

by Juno on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 03:46:05 PM EST
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Thanks for proving my point. (none / 0)

Motley Moose, Troll Free Blogging

by chrisblask on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 04:48:41 PM EST
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Re: Ya got a binary choice (2.00 / 1)

Since you can't stand to listen to him perhaps you should go to his web site and read his stance on issues and what ideas he has presented. I despair of ever reaching people that have closed themselves off so much from a candidate that they aren't even willing to listen to him/her.

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

by MS01 Indie on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 03:39:20 PM EST
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Re: A not so brilliant disguise (none / 0)

I have no intention of going to red state. I was addressing the suggestion of another Obama supporter, yet another who claims to respect disagreements, blah, blah, blah, but in reality does not.

As for bad behavior on both sides, it's supposed to be Obamans who are inspired to change all that.

But they can't. and that is my point.

by Juno on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 11:03:13 AM EST
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Juno's Back! (2.00 / 2)

Hey, Juno!

Thanks for jumping in completely out of context to attack Sen. Obama. Great to know that some people stay true to form!

Motley Moose, Troll Free Blogging

by chrisblask on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 12:00:38 PM EST
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Wow, Tim Russert was excited about him! (1.00 / 2)

Okay, yuh convinced me, the greatest American journalist was biased in favor of Obama.

Chris Matthews: 'Tim was Mr. America of Iraq War Dupes', http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/22/1544 2/0857

How Tim Russert Planted The Seeds For Iraq War, http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/16/1548 30/831

Tim Russert vs Social Security, http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/14/1625 50/383

We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.

by fairleft on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 10:38:21 AM EST

Re: Wow, Tim Russert was excited about him! (2.00 / 1)

I didn't say Tim Russert was excited about Obama. I said he was excited about the race. Nice try and I think you are reaching a bit.

by Politicalslave on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 10:47:51 AM EST
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TRed for: (2.00 / 2)

misrepresenting the diary.

regurgitating on the dead.

Motley Moose, Troll Free Blogging

by chrisblask on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 11:59:19 AM EST
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Re: TRed for: (2.00 / 2)

uncalled for TR, the diarist brought Tim up so if you want to down rate for "regurgitating on the dead" it should be the diary. and the diary is itself open for misinterpretation since it is all emotion (not saying that that is bad, just that it is subject to many ways of being viewed) so once again your TR is mis-directed.

by zerosumgame on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 01:01:25 PM EST
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